A second Blue Moon Award for PTP Audio!
Review of the Solid Bearing and Solid12 by 6moons in May 2014:
This new test was done as a follow-up of the earlier Solid12 review, focussing on the new Solid Bearing upgrade.
"Where we stated in the review of the Solid12 with the original bearing that the sound "was generous, fantastically dynamic and tonally rich without artificial fattening" we now had to add "with great imaging"."
"(…) the resultant sound ticked off all our sound quality boxes."
"Some LPs sounded so wonderful that they did not made it back to the record cabinets but were played daily."
"In conclusion we can only say two things. Every owner of a Solid9 or Solid10 should contact Peter for an upgrade kit. And, everyone considering the purchase of a PTP Audio turntable should include the Solid Bearing from the start."
"The Solid12 with the new bearing retains its original Blue Moon Award with an appended asterisk for its consistent improvement."
Read the entire review on the 6moons website.
Review of the Solid12 in the November 2013 issue of German Fidelity Magazine:
"A Lenco is simple in a very sophisticated way. Reinders has managed to refine this simplicity even further rather than complicate it."
"What emerged is a fantastic turntable, both esthetically and technically, which is -I dare say- absolutely without competition at this price level."
"The PTP Audio Solid12 is a record-player for people who want to play records, not play with their record-player."
"Just as in cooking it is all about the right combinations and seasoning. The Solid12/Schick/Denon combination chef Reinders has created, is a true three-star menu."
"The turntable sounds neutral in the best sense of the word, is very quiet, with a very low noise floor. It is dynamic when necessary, and, when the recording allows, does so with the highest resolution."
"The Solid12 is wobbler nor oil rig. It doesn't intrude and simply plays the music as it was recorded."
"In the end the Solid12 simply does its job, but it does it perfectly. I cannot give a turntable higher praise than that."
Original German text:
“Wie schon erwähnt, ist so ein Lenco einfach, aber raffiniert aufgebaut. Reinders hat diese Einfachheit perfektioniert, anstatt sie zu verkomplizieren.”
“Herausgekommen ist ein ästhetisch und technisch großartiger Plattenspieler, der für diesen Preis – wage ich zu behaupten - absolut konkurrenzlos ist.”
“Der PTP Audio Solid12 ist ein Plattenspieler für Leute, die Platten spielen wollen – und nicht mit Plattenspielern spielen.”
“Wie bei einem guten Essen kommt es darauf an, dass der Chefkoch sie perfekt kombiniert und abschmeckt. Chefkoch Reinders hat mit seiner „Empfehlung des Hauses“ – PTP, Schick-Arm und gepimptes Denon DL103 – ein 3-Sterne-Menü auf den Teller gezaubert.”
“Der Spieler klingt im besten Sinn neutral. Er ist sehr störgeräuscharm, wunderbar laufruhig. Er klingt dynamisch, wenn gewünscht, und feinstaufgelöst, wenn die Informationen auf der Platte vorhanden sind.”
“Er ist weder „Schwabbler“ noch „Bohrinsel“, lässt sich dem persönlichen Umfeld ästhetisch anpassen und spielt die Musik einfach so, wie sie aufgenommen wurde.”
“Auf den Punkt gebracht, macht der Solid12 einfach nur seinen Job, das aber perfekt. Ein größeres Lob kann ich einem Plattenspieler nicht aussprechen.”
Read the entire review in the November/December 2013 issue of Fidelity.
Review of the Solid12 by Art Dudley in the June 2013 issue of Stereophile:
“The combination delivered everything I need from this record: punch, drive, force, color, richness, and pure emotional and visceral involvement.”
“Revelation followed revelation throughout my first afternoon with the Solid12.”
“Note attacks from the string players, the horn section, and even the woodwinds were portrayed with the same kind of sheer sonic force and drive that, via most contemporary record players, one can hope to hear only from percussion instruments, if even them.”
“The Solid12 allowed the music its natural, believable, human-sounding sense of momentum and flow: Records sounded engaging and, where appropriate, exciting. That’sthe most important thing I ask of any piece of playback gear.”
“The Solid12 had an agreeable and altogether believable tonal balance.”
“The Solid12 entirely avoided the sort of bright, crunchy sound produced by lesser and altogether more perturbable record players.”
“The essential musical rightness and the sheer availability and affordability of PTP Audio’s Solid12 can’t be overstated. If you want to know what the idler-wheel fuss is all about, this may be the easiest and most affordable way to find out.”
“This is as close to a plug-and-play idler-wheel turntable as you’re likely to find in 2013.”
“If musical drive is at the top of your list, I know of only one way to successfully get it, and this is that sort of player.”
Read the entire review in the June 2013 issue of Stereophile or on their website.
Blue Moon Award for PTP Audio!
Feedback from Solid(12+9) owner Mike, USA
I took a wrong turn on the analog path somewhere, and had been listening to digital more and more, both for convenience and because it sounded better on average than my analog set up. Digital has gotten a lot better in recent years, and my digital front end is decent- a dedicated, tweaked Mac mini feeding an Auralic Vega with some fancy cables and accessories. I was starting to think that digital had finally equalled or surpassed analog - at least any analog that cost less than my house. Listening to your turntable completely reversed that. With any decent piece of vinyl, the turntable is so much more involving and musical than the digital. I am having a great time re-discovering my record collection. I still probably listen to digital for the convenience, and it is not bad, but when I really want to experience the music, the turntable wins, no contest. It is a great product that you must be proud off.
Feedback from Solid12 owner Lars, Sweden
Feedback from Solid(9+12) owner Richard, Hong Kong
Feedback from Solid Bearing and Solid12 owner George, Las Vegas, USA.
Feedback from Solid12 owner Justin, Singapore.
Your PTP Audio Solid12 arrived in good shape, with packaging intact. When I took it out, I saw a big, elegant, modern looking, minimalist turntable. It is quite heavy. After placing it on the 3 small pyramidal feet I leveled the turntable, fitted the platter and fixed the 12” Schick arm (another glorious piece of art). The installation went smoothly. I set the tracking force to 2.3 g using an Ortofon digital gauge and checked the overhang, null points and azimuth with a Feickert protractor. The readings were good. You got them spot on.
How is the sound? Very good. I listened to all sorts of music, rock, classical, easy listening. Especially music with good bass, drive and dynamics, e.g. symphonic music, rock and roll, classic rock. The Solid12 sounds more real, the singer and the instruments have more body compared to my DCS CD-player with upsampling. Treble is as sweet as the CD (I am comparing the same music/album played via the Solid12 and the DCS player) but less screechy. Via the DCS player the treble is simlpy more digital. The mids via the turntable are more fleshed out and the singer, the chorus, the individual instruments are all easy to discern. Like my family said the music has more body and is more REAL! The wide soundstage and separation of instruments are equally as good as the CD. Bass? Fantastic.If you want to listen to good bass, you need vinyl. I have subwoofers to augment the bass in my system. Bass from the Solid12 is deep, rock solid , full of definition and you can hear the bass drum and bass guitar clearly. It is as good if not better as my CD-player. Modern vinyl is very quiet, no more pops and crackles! Like the reviewers said, music emerged from a deep, dark, empty nothingness! I am in Vinyl heaven! Thank you Peter for introducing me and my family to good music!
The downside? I think the cost of the turntable is very reasonable for the quality of its sound. Your customer service is very good. Initially I thought how am I going to order a heavy delicate turntable from thousands of miles away? But your emails were prompt, you gave good explanations, you accomodated my requests, you did a fantastic job on the turntable and the delivery service was fast and secured.Therefore I think the downside is the hassle of getting up frequently to change sides and to clean the record!
Feedback from Solid9 owner Kevin, Paris, USA.
I have enjoyed vinyl playback for nearly 50 years (my how time flies!) during this time I’ve been through a number of turntables (belt drives), but have to say that the Solid9 is my favorite.
Recently, I’ve been listening to records I haven’t listened to in years, because in the past a lot of them seemed to lack presence and dynamics, and seemed flat. What I didn’t realize was that the turntables I had at the time were the chief cause of the lack of dynamics.
With the Solid9 I experience a very live experience, with great speed, presence and dynamics. The sound is well represented across the frequency spectrum with a quickness and “punch and drive” that you generally only get at a live experience. The sound blossoms naturally, creating a soundstage that extends both to the outside of the speakers (left and right) frontally, and also with a deep spacious stage between the speakers and to the rear. I find that the Solid9 is very accurate to my ears and tonally it sounds “right”.
When I first hooked up the Solid9 is was actually stunned with the overall fullness, dynamics, and drive, it honestly it gave me “goose bumps”.
Evidentially, just like the “Vacuum Tube,” some technologies just cannot be bettered and I now find my self in the “Idler” camp. I will add that had I not read Art Dudley’s review in Stereophile, I might have missed years of great listening.
Working with Peter has been a pleasure. Shipment was faster than getting something here in the US, packing was excellent, and communication was first rate, a very pleasurable experience.
With great appreciation,
Feedback from Solid12 owner Randy, San Francisco, USA.
My Nocturnal “Playmate”
I was looking for a new turntable and taking my time during the research process. While surfing the Internet one day, I noticed a review on the always-interesting 6moons website that caught my attention: a turntable called the Solid12. After further reading, I learned that it was a complete turntable built by Peter Reinders, who has a fine reputation in the Lenco enthusiasts’ community.
I had owned another modified Lenco for several years, which was made by another well-known builder. However, I disliked it from the very beginning, it was noisy and something was always going wrong with it. So acquiring another Lenco-based deck was far from my intent.
But after seeing Peter’s creation, I knew I wanted one. It just had that certain “rightness” about it. For me, the way a turntable looks is as important as its sonic attributes. The Solid12 was what I was looking for. I contacted Peter and discussed the ordering process. I decided to go with the Thomas Schick 12-inch tonearm, since I was planning to use an Ortofon SPU cartridge. After sending him my initial deposit, Peter ordered the arm and got to work on my project.
I received an email from Peter about 12 weeks later that the tonearm had arrived and my Solid12 was ready for shipment. Just two days from Amsterdam to my doorstep – amazing service!
Set up is straightforward, and Peter provides everything you’ll need, except the detachable power cord. The three footers are really nice, too. It’s truly plug and play.
The Solid12 has an impressive appearance. Peter has worked his magic with the black (Nocturne) Corian material to produce a sleek plinth with gentle curves and low profile that shines and is smooth to the touch. The Schick tonearm is beautifully balanced and feels like a natural extension of my hand. The designer even incorporates a set screw on the arm tube near the collet to allow for azimuth adjustment. Very handy for the SPU user to dial- in the set up.
Push the high quality spring-loaded red power button, and the Solid12 starts right up and runs very quietly – no more sounds or visions of a hamster turning the idler wheel. Speed is stable, and now I know what they mean by the Lenco idler magic. André Previn and his Pals’ playing on the West Side Story album, I’m hearing the interplay between the musicians, details that have previously escaped my ears. It’s music, and I’m liking what I hear.
In summary, I’d say my search for the right turntable has come to an end, and it is a happy ending. If you want a turntable that looks and sounds great at a reasonable price, put yourself in Peter’s capable hands, and he will do the rest. Should you need help with set up questions and the like, he is always there with a prompt response and keen insight. Exemplary customer service. Well done, Peter!
Feedback from Solid12 owner Dean, Australia.
Hope you are well and business is booming!
Thought I would touch base and let you know how I’m going with the Solid12-Schick combo as it has been a couple of months now since we have been in contact.
Well so far I am very impressed. The sound is very alive, solid, and dynamic with great attack of notes, bearing in mind this is with the basic denon 103!!
As the denon is a borrowed cart I’m contemplating purchasing either a modified denon or one of the better SPUs for even better performance. Hmmm!
Peter, I also want express how stress and hassle free it was dealing with you through the whole process from start to finish. I mean answering all my questions via email promptly and courteously which always put me at ease dealing with someone on the other side of the globe. And the finished product is exceptional.
Many thanks and regards,
Feedback from Solid9 and Solid12 owner Berthold, Switzerland.
"This is without a doubt the best record player that I have ever heard. And I am familiar with many of them..."
"I have set up the Solid12 with Schick arm and SPU. It sounds powerful, dynamic and liquid."
"Monday evening two of my AAA-friends were here and they are convinced that they want to buy a PTP Audio turntable!"
More pictures from Berthold here
Feedback from Solid12 owner George, Las Vegas, USA:
"Even though I was aware of the dimensions and weight, the size and beauty were startling. All the wonderful idler drive traits were there from the first notes. HUGE bass, drive, slam, flow, and amazing musicality. My friend and I started with the Graceland Lp reissue. Our intention was to listen critically, but we just got lost in the music with big smiles on our faces. Don't get me wrong, all the details are there, but the way this table presents music as a whole is really special. I know it is cliche, but I cannot wait to go through my whole Lp collection. I love to change out gear, but I bet this table will be a mainstay for years to come. Or at least till Peter brings the Solid 12 MK2 to market."
"I listened on and off for seven hours yesterday. This table/arm is just awesome. Gonna have to get my wife a nice present for neglecting her."
Pete Riggle of VTAF who set the above turntable up adds:
What a wonderful and refined combination . . . George Moore's PTP Audio Solid12 modified Lenco table, with the 12.2" Woody tonearm, and the Denon/Soundsmith cartridge. I have played the arm and cartridge on both the Solid Audio PTP table and my resident Thorens TD124. The PTP Audio table makes my Thorens TD124 sound less polished by comparison (and I had no complaints before). Now I understand the Lenco magic. Congratulations on the nice work you have done.
Pete Riggle Engineering and Audio
Manufacturer of the Woody(tm) tonearm, the VTAF, and the Counterweight for the Common Man
Feedback from Solid12 owner Patrice, France:
"When still a kid I started my audiophile life with a stock Lenco L75 and Shure V15 cartridge and enjoyed it for its reliability and overall performance.
When I had the chance a couple of weeks ago, to compare PTP Audio's upgraded version of this prehistoric table to my long-time resident TW Acustic Raven AC with three-motor drive, rated by many reviewers as one of the best current turntables in the world, I couldn't resist.
I set up the PTP Audio Solid12 with my regular Ikeda 407 arm and 9TT cartridge, a combo of undisputed performance. When I played the first record my jaw dropped. During the evening I played record after record in an attempt to find flaws. It was impossible. Never had my system sounded so close to a live concert, be it jazz, rock or extremely demanding classical. The turntable simply stayed out of the equation.
The next day I decided to keep this unbelievable table in my hi-end system. Compared to the Raven the Solid12 has more PRAT, better dynamics and is even more invisible. It sounds bigger with better soundstage depth and bass is fantastic. The background is dead silent and the turntable is always at ease. For each recording it is a game changer.
Peter Reinders has brought incredible transparency, bandwidth, speed and dynamics to a product that is sane but short of true audiophile qualities in unmodified form.
The TW Acustic Raven AC three-motor remains a good product, but, like many other current products, can't compare with the desperately simple PTP Audio. You will not buy one to impress your friends, that is not until they hear the first notes. The fact you can buy one for under €3000.- is very very embarrassing for the competition.
I have no doubt that Peter Reinders has very good ears and lots of experience in upgrading Lencos. With his PTP Audio products he has reached a level which I thought was totally beyond these venerable turntables."
Review of the Solid12 by 6moons in November 2012:
"We use ‘enjoying’ because from the very first tone on it was clear how this really was no ordinary turntable. Played on this Solid12 the album’s tracks cut straight to the chase. This showed well defined attacks, plucked bass without any smearing whatsoever and profoundly deep bass. Sustains just kept hovering in mid air like lazy angels and then again that bass heavy of weight and texture would intrude without being artificially enhanced at all."
"(…) what quickly became obvious was how the Solid12 was a real foot stomper. It was more of a rock’n’rolla if you will and to be honest, more sheer fun. True, the Dr. Feickert revealed the minutest of details beautifully and in all the right places of the virtual soundstage where the PTP just played music. Of course its details were there unobscured by low-level noise but why pay extra attention to details when the whole brings so much more?"
"Listening to the combination of long arm, simple but high-quality cartridge and PTP Audio turntable brought out more music than we could have expected. It was generous, fantastically dynamic and tonally rich without artificial fattening. Even though listening in the sweet spot was very enjoyable, every other spot in the room was just as pleasant. The music was everywhere, soundstaged properly if one wanted be in the sweet spot but just as enveloping elsewhere."
"What we heard and experienced from the first track on with the Solid12 was its ability to communicate the intention of the music. The emotions captured in the grooves were present throughout the entire reviewing period. It seemed that the Solid12/Schick/DL-103 combo really begged for live recordings where it excelled at bringing out the co-recorded atmosphere."
"PTP Audio has added a new category of built-to-order which since seems to have grown into a very strong new competitor in the turntable scene. The sound quality achieved by these sub 2500 euro tables—we're not joking!—is hard to find elsewhere at even thrice the price."
Read the entire article on the 6moons website.
Feedback from Solid9 owner Graham, Abu Dhabi:
"So, now it was time to sit back and actually listen to the music rather than to the system itself. My first album was the Tedeschi Trucks ‘Revelator’ album which I have played often on the old turntable, so I know it well. It was like playing a completely different album, there were details, instruments, phrasing that I had never noticed before. The sound of Susan Tedeschi’s voice rang out and filled the room, I turned up the volume and it sounded even better. This was no ordinary turntable."
"I have been digging out all my favourites, old and new, to re-listen with a new level of hearing – it’s almost like having new ears! I sat in the sweet spot and marveled, then I moved around and, even more surprisingly, found the music to be all around me and still sounding right. I don’t need to confine myself to the sweet spot any longer."
Read Graham's full story here
Feedback from Solid9 owner Jonathan, Berlin, Germany:
"I am very excited to have received my new Solid9 turntable from Peter, based on the stealth PTP and a custom-made Corian plinth.
My original plan was to get a slate plinth but for various reasons I have decided to have Peter build a complete turntable... I am very glad I did. This one's definitely a class act, and Peter has been a pleasure to deal with and a very valuable source for information and advice.
I doubt I could have managed the feat on my own, let alone come close to the final result that rests on my audio shelf. Some nice touches are the bolts and an IEC socket embedded in the plinths, the polished platter, the PTP that barely protrudes from under the platter and the complete overhaul of my Lenco parts. The Solid9 is a thoroughly refined turntable.
The first thing that struck me was how silent the turntable was. The motor runs totally silent, and the same applies to dropping the record cleaning brush on the plinth while playing (or tapping on it with my fingers) - no perceived sound in normal listening volumes.
The amount of detail picked-up is unbelievable, as are the clarity and speed. That has a lot to do with the ZYX cartridge, however I was using the same cartridge on my previous turntable - a VPI Scout. The Solid9 is a totally different animal, it is a true high-end source.
I am very lucky to have an extremely good digital source. My new analog setup performs noticeably better in terms of speed and presence or "thereness". It renders vocals and acoustic instruments in a particularly lovely way. Considering the fine-tuning ahead, I have the feeling I am in for a real treat!"
Review of the PTP Audio Solid12 by Audio Creative in September 2012:
“This PTP Audio turntable is a mighty fine product that will keep you happy for the rest of your life. If you have the opportunity to listen to one, take the chance, you'll be as impressed as I am. This sounds not just good, it sounds darn good.”
“The drive and understated power. There's something special about this apparent excess of horsepower you don't really need, but which makes it all so easy.”
“I get to the point where I think: what more do I need to lean back satisfied and enjoy my albums? A 8000 Euro arm or cartridge? A turntable that's way over the top? Even if I had the money, why should I? Actually, I'd rather have the PTP just like it is playing here now.”
Original Dutch text:
“Een machtig mooi product, deze PTP draaitafel. Je hoeft waarschijnlijk van je langzaljeleven niks anders meer op platenspeler gebied. Krijg je de gelegenheid om er eens naar te luisteren, grijp die mogelijkheid dan aan. Je zult niet minder gecharmeerd over zijn dan ik ben. Dit klinkt niet gewoon goed, dit klinkt verdraaid goed.”
“De drive en ingehouden kracht, de schijn van een overdaad aan p.k.’s die je niet echt nodig bent maar het allemaal zo gemakkelijk maakt. ‘Het’ heeft gewoon ‘iets’.”
“Dan ben ik op een gegeven moment op een punt waarop ik denk: wat heb ik eigenlijk nog meer nodig dan dit om tevreden achterover leunend van mijn vinylalbums te kunnen genieten? Een 8000 euro element? Een arm van hetzelfde bedrag, een loopwerk dat helemaal door het lint is gegaan? Mmm, waarvoor eigenlijk, zelfs al had ik de centen er voor liggen? Eigenlijk wil ik het liefst gewoon een PTP zoals die hier staat te spelen.”